'Rhaenyra Triumphant' HOTD S3E3 (ACOIAF #29)

You may not rule and remain yourself. There are choices to be made, and you may, on occasion have to turn your face away while people suffer and die. There is in you a door that must shut. You will do things that your heart would have recoiled from before you came to the throne. I acknowledge the struggle, but I dispute that I must become what I am not. Time will tell. My father remained himself. Your father lived in a world of his own construction. You and I have never set foot there. Welcome to the Unreal Hour. Hi there, Welcome to our show. I'm Fiona and I'm Emma, and we are here to discuss episode three of season three of House of the Dragon rnier A triumphant. Didn't feel triumphant to me. No, I didn't feel that at all. The episode was directed by Claire Kilner and Sarah hess who we called the dream team last week. I'm feeling it this week now, I'm. Feeling that this week either we have thoughts, let's just get straight into it, because let's just address the elephant in the room. Yeah. While there were story beats throughout the episode that I enjoyed, I believe this was supposed to be the conceptual episode that they had planned, and I didn't like the concept. No, the concept fell flat for me. I'm afraid do you want to go first to give us your thoughts. On why it was flat? Yeah? Okay, Well, it was very heavy on one storyline, and we usually get jumping from blacks to greens, we have some dragon action, or even just this week, it's going to be really hard to even do a dragon section. So no one died. There was nothing notable other than Raniera seeming to really be very overwhelmed. It was too much of the one thing in a show so vast, with so many characters. We only have eight episodes, and to dedicate an entire episode to this seems a waste of airtime to me. They could have made the points they were trying to make in a much more concise way and gave us more or they could have spread this out over a few episodes and gave us more beats of other stuff in between to break it up a bit. Yeah, they sending them behind the scenes. That they had a lot of thought into this sound design in this episode. Regarding this buzzing and Runea's year, did you see it. I did, and I've only watched it once. I was going to do a rewatch, and to be honest, it's not something that was notable for me. I mean, did you see in the behind the scenes what they were saying about it. I saw an interview with Claire Kilner and Sarah and I saw that too, and they did describe the. Like it was like a dragon calling or something like. I didn't get that, im that. And what like what dragon would be calling her about ciras? Yeah, it makes no sense, like. A dragon calling from the future or something. They were shut up, what is it? Dro gone right? Yeah? No, Like I hate I hated this. I really wanted to enjoy it. I was totally psyched up for it. We're on holiday, we're recording a day early. Yeah, and all the enthusiasm went as soon as I watched it. And I just like, I must have thought about five times throughout it, I hate this, and then there'd be a good bit, and then I'd hate it again, and then there'd be a good bit. But there was no great bits. And I have to say, I'm going to address the main the main part for me, which I actually found it offensive as a woman and I'm shocked. That she got period. No, no, I'm shocked that women have written and directed this. Agreed. I think to have popped that in there would have been great if she'd been trying to get on with things in a powerful way and we were seeing a powerful side of her. But what they did was they dropped. That in there. Well, she's on the overwhelmed, and it just gave this perspective of, oh, she's on her period and she's not coping, and and I get that's not what they were doing. But actually that's how it translated to. Me, exactly how it came across. And yeah, I'm glad once we spoke that that's how it translated to you. And I've seen some other people on YouTube, and that's how it's translated to them all. How most people have picked it up and watching that interview with those two ladies that created this episode, that's not what they were trying to portray. They were trying. It wasn't even that deep, No, it wasn't. It would just it'd be really funny if she got her period as well. I mean it was maybe it was slightly more nuanced than that, but that again, that's how it came across the way, it was just oh, yeah, of course she would get her period too, on the day where she needs to be on fire. I think it was better done when she had the breast milk leakage at the table. That was her her. Body behaving in a way that a women's body behaves at what you would call on an opportune time. And I get that's what they were saying here, but it wasn't the right time, it wasn't the right place. And from then on I really struggled to concentrate because I was so offended. Yeah, not cool, guys. No, it wasn't cool. It didn't feel written by a woman, it didn't feel directed by a woman. And if they were going to go there, it should have been given more attention. And in a wave of strength, her rising above that and getting on with. It, because that's what we as women do. Yeah, mothers and business owners and queens. You've just got to get out there and do your shit no matter what. Yeah, whether you're the small folk or you're venia, Yeah, you get on and you just get shit done, exactly. And she it's not that she wasn't trying to, but she was. There was the whole sort of her grief element, her overwhelmed, the ghosts and that were sort of haunting her inside. I get all of that stuff, but because that was dropped in where it was for me, overshadowed it because I was so pissed off. Yeah. Yeah, and that is one tiny beat that caused so much friction. Yeah. And then there's just the overall concept of take it just took up too much time. Yeah, we don't have enough episodes for our concept episode, especially one that's trying to be so creative. And I didn't like how the format of the show was changed. Liked it. There was a called open that was cool. I didn't like that. Like I said earlier, no one died, there were no dragons. We were stuck with the same character for eighty percent of it. It just it wasn't wasn't the format that's that's cool. No, there wasn't. We need to be moving around the map. We need to be we need some momentum. And maybe I am considering that there's a writing difference because there's a two gap between writing these episodes. This one was written for season two, last one was written for season two. Sorry, and this is season three. And it's supposed to be a different tone, but I think they should have rethought this. This this it felt like a shy episode one. It's so far off best George Wrights. I mean, obviously George nothing to do with this that I'm aware of that, and it's the but we are fans of what George Wrights, and George Wright's not House of the Dragon. But what we love initially Game of Thrones was all POV characters jumping here, there, everywhere. That's what we fell in love with. And I feel like the writers they've just gone too far far off base here for this episode. It's not what we love. No, it's not not to be rude, but it was pure pushman. It was like, yeah, I mean not gonna be wrong, like we have the like say, there are some good points about. There's twenty percent of good stuff. Yeah, there was, and we'll get we'll get to that, but I think we need to. We felt we needed to address what we felt first because as Ned Stark says, anything before but as poor shit yep, So let's get the butt out the way first so that the rest of what we say is positivity that where we can find it. I don't suddenly hate the show because they did a shit episode. Well, I mean, if they do a few in a row, I might change my mind. But no, we've been here before were like filler episodes, but I couldn't even call this a filler episode. It wasn't it was it was. It was bizarre. It was trying to be art. Go watch the behind the scenes guide that I can't really quote them a lot here, but you know they're Ryan and there something along the lines of art is when creative team meets limitations whatever that means. And I get what they were doing with the sound design and the weird camera shots so you never see behind Rania. I think it. Was kind of like the West Wing. That's all of her shots where she was moving all the time, and there was there was always someone asking a question, and I get that, but I also don't buy it. I don't buy it for the whole fucking episode. Give us a scene like us like that. There was this moment as well where she finally gets a moment a piece and then Alison knocks on the door, and I almost bought that scene. That was okay, but yeah, it was too much of the same thing over and over, and I think I wrote in my notes lots of wants and knows everybody wanted something that she couldn't give, and everything she wanted she was told no except the rat feast, which is a whole other subject. And no one farted and no one fted. How could we have been so right last week and so wrong this week? So true? Okay, well that's enough of the negativity for now. Well we'll see, but let's move on to what we did like. We'll start with the cold open. The cold Open was good. I really like this scene and I was. Hoping for good things when this started. Yes, definitely loved the big shot with Ormond at the front. Yeah, and then you see Ta Sarian. Yes, it's a cute dragon. It's tiny, much much better picture of Ta Sarian this. Much brighter day. Yeah. So I think that they are playing with the light there, yeah, which I suppose is realistic. Hoping for good things once Ta Sarian's in flight. Would like to see that again. We've got a very brief two three second glimpse of at the end of the last season. I want more of that. They could have even given us that. Yeah, Yeah, just a wee bit of dragon flight with I made the episode better. Yeah, just a tiny bit of anything, loving, absolutely loving Damon living his best life like egg On the fucking Conqueror with three badass dragons behind him. He's like so smug, it's so funny marking, he's cracking joke. He's like. Brilliant and yeah, totally what's the guy's name again, Mormond? Oh, real name James Norton. James Norton was absolutely brilliant as Ormond. I just loved his just holding mean or he sat there, he listened. He's like, what if I do want to fight you? Have you seen Happy Valley? I have so in Happy Valley. He's an absolute nutter and he wants custody of his son and keeps stealing him and he's just an absolute bonkers nutcase. But he's so dead pan manipulative. He's so manipulative with a kid. And I thought, oh, oh, I can see a bit of your Happy Valley. N's our character there when he's being all nice and manipulative. And I did he buy it for a second? Okay, yes, that's okay. I'll give you the boy. Just turn our backs and walk away. Okay, we don't want to right, everyone, let's go now. Yeah. No, I did not buy that demeanor for a second, but in a good acting way. Yeah, I was right, Okay, he's fucking. I was really exciting. Yeah, And I honestly did they buy it the way he was like take care, nephew and said good said he's good bye to dare And I was like, that's no dare On, that's no dare On. I'm not buying this now. That might have something to do with the fact that I heard that there was some sort of day on fake out right. It might have influenced my bloody I. Think it maybe did because I bought it at first, did you? I did, right until I've seen Ranier talking to him the first time, and she and he wasn't speaking at all, and I thought, oh, this is odd. Is this a traumatized kid? And does he have an agenda? Is he being told to like a bee sleeper cell? Like what's going on here? And then I was like, oh, maybe it's not him. So you started to keep figuring up around there. Yeah, I picked up on it a bit earlier, but it might be because I had heard what I heard. But I also pride myself I'm being able to read these situations. I'm very good. I've got a good track record of guessing this. You do, you do? So I'm gonna I'm going to take one here, right. We need a win. We need a win, absolutely need a one. But great openings saying love the although I do have a one complaint, right, Okay, we're going to take We're going to take your nephew, but. You can keep the dragon. Yeah. I was like, so I thought, oh, okay, this is why I kind of bought it as well, right because I thought, why is he not taking the dragon? Okay, because they're because they're bonded. The dragon is just going to fly off with Deren. That's what that is. No dragonfly. Now maybe they skipped that for the budget. I don't know. That's a plot hole. Yep, that big potle. Well it's not really a plothole. Now that's a fake. Now it's a fake there on. But there is the plot hole is that Damon didn't think of this. Yeah, the plot hole is that Damon didn't go right. Dragon to then, like, come on, I what's the valerium for fly? Flower flower to Sarreon, Let's get into the dragon pill with let's get some dragon peepers out here to get this dragon in it's cave. But no, so that the fact that this wasn't address discussed, thought about, like what's going to happen to to sarry On if Darron is a prisoner? Not quite a plot hole, but certainly an oversight. It was weak. It was weak. But other than that, I love the cold open. Yeah, it was very good. And that concludes our dragon section. Yeah, yeah, and that's all folks, It's so true. But yeah, I mean literally that was all the dragons that there was in the episode. So like dragon section done here. We are, right, So we already talked about a bit, so let's finish off that fake there on thing because we were halfway there. We saw it, like definitely both saw it come in at different stages throughout the episode. But that moment when Rania realizes it was so priceless. I actually really loved this scene. This Alison walks in the room, she's staring at there On or fake there On. She's staring at him, and then she looks at Rania. She doesn't say anything, she doesn't change in expression. It's just eyes against She's good with the eyes. Yeah, this eye just looks at her and then Nina's like, oh shit, and the head back and forward, side to side, back and forward about five times. This is that's not your kid, man, Yeah, that's not your kid. I could your face is to but it wasn't that. She just read Allison's face. Allison gave her a look. Yeah, she gave her a no. No, that's not him, Like I've not seen him for a while, but he's definitely not. Like that moment when. You're at your pal, where you're with your palte apart. Right and you're like like, we need. To leave, right from across the room, you're just staying at each other, going read my mind, we need to leave. We used to be in bands together, and the music explaining we just look at each other and we're like this is being communicated between us two. And no one else in the band. And they're all like yeah, they're having the time of their life playing it wrong and they're like, this is the wrong key. Guys, like you said. That I might have to do that for. In the video version. You know that was a friendship forged for life. And we're not even looking at each other. We're both looking at the same thing with the same look on our face. Yeah, the guitarist hitting an absolute howler on the best note in the guitar solo and it just it goes for this note and it just doesn't happen and the two us just staying at up what. So it was like that, there was the big eyes and everything. Please read my mind, this is wrong, but yeah, I really did love that scene. That was good. Did you have any other thoughts? No? Now I just can't out my head like it's not a bum note, this is a bump fake out. Yeah, alright, let's talk about thede job because what is the equivalent of peroxide in medieval western. Of somebody said in the chat on. A live stream that I saw like five minutes off stuff. Yeah, there's something to do with lime and possibly pee and lie lie. Yeah, I mean, I'm I've bleached my hair for the last twenty. Five Kings used to do it. Well, there's no. Way on earth to get me using that, Like, I mean, but that is some pretty top grade toner. Yeah, Like what brand of toner are they using for fake there on? Yeah, because it's better than like Damon's in season one. I was looking a bit like, yeah, the yellow fella yellow for a while. Yeah, yeah, once he got to the last time jump, Damon's hair was good. But that's like a full head when I should have gone for a full head of highlights exactly. And now I've got short hair for two episodes because it all fell out. This is a process, not a one time thing. I swear that's why you went for the short hair those two episodes in the middle, because it all fell out. Yeah, it was like chewing gum on his pillow. And just I can just remember it gone on the days when you had to come and cut my hair off because it was like chewing gum. On the pillow. Yes, that's what twelve percent. I'll do, always nine always nine nine. But no, I mean like bad hair dye jobs. Aside, I'm still thinking the redhead from the from the first episode, was that the first episode? Yeah, if you can die it one way, we can die at the other. I thought this kid was Deron, however, but the hair colors all. Well, it wasn't so much the hair color. It was the way that Ormonds treated him like a servant. So I'm like, oh, I know, like. Deron's more like a squire well, I know that he's a squire, but I didn't even treat him like a squire. Who is his Turgerian nephew. Treated him like a princely nephew. Yeah, he treated him like just some lord son that's beneath him, like a lesser lord's son. That's part of the ruse. Yeah, yeah, Ormond, we love you, we do. Like maybe not as much as Damon, but you know your your second in command. For the cheek is definitely cheek of the man. Oh definitely, he played that very well. But the die job, it's got to be him. It's got to be this guy that we've already seen before. That's the fake out. Well, this was part one of the fake out. That's part two. We've already seen him. That's the best way to do a reveal someone you've already seen. And this lad was quite prominent and yet inconspicuous within the scene if that makes it exactly, because everybody's like, who is that is that deren and it can't be there on it's the wrong hair color. So there was a lot of discussion amongst it about it in the fandom, so it was prominent enough to be noticed by everybody yeah, but in the background enough for inconclusive. So I love that. I can't wait to see how that's going to play out. See like there is as it is within this episode of future plot lines, right, there's seeds that are planted for future plot lines. All my positives came from Ormond and Corliss this week. Yes, yes, a little bit of demon. Little bit of demon two. No, everything I'm feeling about Runia going forward is a steady decline. As it should be. It should be, should be ready decline. That's too fast, but not in one episode. Yes, I could have dealt with that in sort of two to three, but well, I think three episodes in an eight episode series. Yeah, would have covered that. I think in order to see to make the decline more significant, we need to see her competent first. Yeah, that would have helped. Right, there we go again. See while we're here, though, I'm just going to mention the mentioning her father all the time. Oh yeah, it's like this just feels so. Offbeat for the Raniera that we know because she has been a bit of a rebel. Yeah. Should she oppose them at every turn although she loved them dearly? Yeah, Like it just doesn't make any logical sense to me for her character. Well, likewise, I said this to you on the phone this morning that I felt like teenage Ranera was just way more badass. She was out there was she was doing what she wanted to do. Playing dress and on her dragon when she shouldn't it be. Flying off to dragon store to confront Damon in the middle, like landing in the middle of like Sorge drawn and just owning the scene that was. That was Rania. And to her defense, she's. Not been allowed to do it, like they've all been stopping her from every angle except maybe Damon, right, But I feel like teenage Raniera would have just done it anyway. I have a question, So how old is Ranina supposed to be at this point? So by the book member, she's a couple of years older than she is in the books, so I think it's three. Four years decade of life as she was she's supposed to be. I think about the age of the boys. So if she's sixty, she was sixteen when she was married, and Jace was sixteen when he died. Early thirties, early thirties, so there's even that, right, So in your early thirties, You've still got a lot of what you had in your twenties. You're still brave, it's still there. It's not until you reach your forties that you kind of have a decline in your bravery because then you start thinking about your own mortality. What I was going to say, your estrogen and progesterone dips. Yeah, you're just, yes, not as brave as you were. That bravado of youth is starting to deplete. And I feel that the age that we're near us at, that's not where we are her hormonally with this character. And if you're going to pop in bits like, oh, she's on her period, so there's a hormonal effect for this character biologically, please go the whole hog and do it properly, because actually, in your early thirties, when you're on your. Period, you still have the bravado. Yes, you have the cramps and stuff, but you're still brave. You're actually more. Region than you're overwhelmed and having like brain fog, not knowing how to navigate situations and doubting yourself. I don't think she's in the correct decade for that to be happened. And I think that's maybe why I find it so offensive and I know I've gone back there, but this. Is what happened to me watching the show. Though. It was hard to take each scene on with Rania after that was mentioned because I thought this is incorrect. Yeah, interesting, Yeah, no, I definitely felt it. If you're going to go there, like, let's see it for real, let's actually look at what's happening to your body on day one. Yeah, of your cycle. Day one, you have zero estrogen, zero progesterone. That's it. You're just like getting through the day, right. Yeah, but it doesn't mean that you suddenly becoming In fact, you're probably a little more competent than you were. On the day before. And now remember in this episode, Rnina's day one was day two of her reign, so day one she was a bit take no shit. She was just she's wanting to like this is ridiculous. And there was scene with Darren when she meets him for the first time and he's not answering her. She's like us, so be it take up his room, right, She's just like, no, got time for this. That is that That was quite one point yet that was an on point pre men strul moment, but once it happened that it was suddenly she was just weak and distracted. I find that offensive. I might have a bit of brain fog. I'm not gonna lie. There might be some brain fog on those days, but I'm usually like, I'm still capable of. A decade ago. When you were a full time working woman. M h, you never let anything stop you. No, I up a paris, a couple of paracelm all and out the door, you go. I was a mom of three. Yeah, I gave birth to my third one and drove myself home. You know, Like, I just feel it. It's incorrect. Yeah, it's reducing us to like a slave to hormones. Yeah, right, hormones do affect us. There's no dispute in that, Right, they do. Right. The peaks and troughs of the hormones absolutely affect us. But when you're on day one, your your hormones are absolutely depleted, and just getting through your day is just enough. You want new friction? No, Like, So does that back it up? Then? That she just needed a wee nettled tea and a. Hot water bottle. She probably did need that. Yeah, it's the overlap, isn't it. It's the overlap of the overwhelming the grief, but because this hormonal cycle has been mentioned at the same time, there isn't enough to distinguish that these are separate things. Yes, so it's offensive. It is. That's how I made sense of it after the episode. It kind of that I watched the episode. I made sense of it by thinking about this hormonal stuff and everything. Oh, it kind of lines up with what they were showing with Runia to a certain extent, And then I watched their interview and it wasn't that deep, right, you know. I mean, this is me trying to make sense out of what I saw, whereas I don't think that they were thinking about it on that deeper level. I think that they just thought it would be amusing to give her a period as well. Which as a woman is off offensive. Because actually we do have to try a bit harder on those days and we still get it done. The positives from this episode are, yeah, I've had a sex head lesson from Fiona and Emma, absolutely, and I haven't tuned out. Right, So we mentioned earlier were. Reminiscent about ghosts, but specifically I did like the scene that she was struggling to sleeping Visers's bed. Yeah, that felt quite true and understandable. And seeing Jason the hallway. Why didn't she find a body in the cupboard? That would last I know it would be weird for her. It would be weird being back there and being at the foot of her dad's bed and being like, I can't get in that bed. The last time I was here, he passed away. Yeah, well he was on the verge of passing away, wasn't he. He passed away. She saw him in that bed. He dragged himself out of bed for a the throne room and b for the her. Yeah, and then he got taken off to that bed that night and never woke up. Yeah. So's it's tough for her, will be just being in her childhood home where all those memories are, some very painful ones, losing her mother, losing her father. It's totally understandable for that to be throwing her off slightly. So, yeah, we're here, no cash, no food, no coordination. She's got a lot of redecorating the do. And she needs a new bed. So a girl, absolutely, So the first day is just shy getting thrown at her when she's getting accosted on the stairs by a million servants. Back to the West Wing thing. I don't think I liked it. I hated it. I hated the servants accosting her on the stairs. I hated the way everyone spoke to Vania in that episode. It didn't give off that, and I know it was deliberate, right. It didn't give off that she is queen now. It gave off everybody hates me, everybody wants something from me. I'm not going to be any good at this. This is stressful. I don't know what to do, nightmare. And if she didn't come across as second guests and herself out with the face acting and the nervous voice. Then when they really drove it home in the scenes with Alison where she was basically saying help me, I don't know what I'm. Doing, I got the vibe that if she'd been Mail, none of this would have been happening. So that was that was good that they conveyed that without actually saying it. Yeah, true, same as what happened last week in Dragon Store. Yeah, it wouldn't have happened if she was Mail. So here we go out. Did we just find a positive? I think we did. We just find another new positive, right, there's few of them. I think the wine's helping, it must be. Let's hear that clip with her and Alison. Actually the first one, that. Is, where is my gold? Your gold, the Crown's gold, the treasury? You cannot laim ignorance, I'm of. No help to you. It was the Master of coin who removed it, and the Queen knew nothing of it. They hated me from the start, resented my influence, my mere presence. My own father kept that plot from me. Is that so? I would refer you to the man himself, But you slew him without ceremony. Did it make you feel. Better about losing jays? Dear? The faces here? I would rather have slain Eggorne as your mother and I had agreed. Oh Helena's face here here we are. He is gone, and I cannot believe you had no hand in that either. He did that to himself. Eggon was fled when I returned from Dragonstone has all while not giving you his account. His account or yours. Do not treat me as a fool if you require me. To foresee every duplicitor's scheme to eyes by Larry Strong, I confess I cannot help, but full. Shore, where is Vega? Who? Right sheeps do not know? Is Eimon not flown away as I promised? Did the gods and the parapets not stuffer you to pass? I have done all I could. Will you blame me only for what men have done? You promised we could go, and we told the gods we ran. Oh see and hear in that scene, I hate it even more. I just think they're making her so paranoid, Like, yeah, the mask's completely dropped when she's with Alison, and she's crazy paranoid, and I just think we all know what's going there. But it's too soon. Yeah, it was too quick a jump. I mean this was in the first ten to fifteen minutes of the episode. She's already gone all crazy paranoid. I I just don't buy it for her character. No, I think they could have dumbed it down for the fandom. Fandom being me, I would liked it to have been dumbed down for me. I wanted a slow burn. Yeah, like, I know what you're doing there, guys, But I would have liked to have seen a bit of conversation between Rania and Allison that wasn't that. About their fathers? So you get a bit of dumbing it down for the fandom. Being me, how would let you see that what Allison received from her father was observing a leader who could give instruction and who could delegate and manipulate. Yeah, Ploto at his finest. Whereas Rania the observations of her father were quite a passive man that shied away from any difficult decision. I think so as rulers, they different women because of the instruction from their fathers that they inadvertently received through observation. And it would have been nice to have played on that rather than the the the women chaos, the nippy no no no at each other. I just I just I just fucking hated it. I fucking hated it. Yeah, I did love Helena though. Helena was brilliant. She'd make you feel better. She's like a She's like a four year old. Just say what you see, mister chips. Definitely they just look at her like crazy Helena. Yeah, bless her, she gets a lot of that. She does what she's bang on every time and no one's paying any attention. But she was right in there with defend their mum. There the egon did that by himself. So yeah, she was quite feisty in that moment for Helena. Yeah, so yeah, I did love her in that scene. That was great. And Olivia Cook was fantastic and the scene too. I just so was Emma Darcy. I just don't like the scene they were given to work with. Yeah, but they do. They're all doing a fantastic job with the script in the direction that they're given. And we called these two women the dream team last week and this week, I just know it was all. It seems a bit far removed, doesn't it, Like how can they have got that's so right and this so wrong? Yeah? Well is there other higher instruction at play here? Who knows? Who knows? I'm not being a market well you know here we are. It just seems very very different. Yeah, yeah, tonight and day, isn't it. My bullshit detectors? Like, I'm right there with you. I just don't feel it. I don't feel that these women were right in on their own. Maybe we're just a pair of crazy, hormonal. Women though, or maybe maybe I never thought of that. Yeah that might be what that. I have no agency, you see, so I'm a slave to my cycle. What last week's theme was agency and this week, well, we're a slave to our cycle. Lack of the lack of Oh that's bleak. Okay, my crazy hormonal friend, what's up next? I'm sure we'll jump back to Venia without I don't think I had anything more specific to say about. Absolutely, I'm almost at the stage. I'm like, what can we bitch about now? Yeah, I feel like. I'm it's like labeling theory. I'm now just playing up to the to the role of crazy hormonal women. This is what this has done to me this week. Oh yeah, So Alison says here the that no one knows what Eggon looks like He's dragon is dead. Damon also says. Earlier on that Bail I only saw Sunfire dead and rotting. But we know this is not true. I think, like I think Sunfire is just recharging and looks just a bit to the Maybe it looks dead from an aerial view above while he's sleeping in the forest where he fell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, time will tell. Yeah, well, well I've seen the promo shots. He's definitely alive. I mean, it's like the worst kiss secret in the fandom. I'm not gonna lie like even more than the rat faced and the fake there on, I'm like the last person I know every week. Every week, guys have the last person at all. When I said dumbing it down for the fandom, I mean me, Yeah, I do. Spent far too much time researching that shit. It's it's not a quality obsessive behavior. Are you a crazy hormonal woman? I'm a dumb one. No, definitely not. I mean that jest. So what else have I got here? Yeah? When she tells Miss Saria to question the staff, Yes, she was right paranoid there as well. Yeah, that was coming across a bit erratic as well, is it though? No, it wasn't about the idea in itself. It was about the way that the delivery the delivery. She seemed erratic, She seemed paranoid. Yeah, I mean, it's not paranoia if they are out to get you. But at the same time, her behavior was off. It was whack man, it was off. And then of course from that same with Sara as she goes sharing the meeting with the sept. Hold on, wait, remind me when is our gold? So Thailand has smuggled it off to Lanisport. Some of it is that right. I think it was split. Yeah, we got three ways he split it. I don't know if they've done this in the show, but in the book, I think the money. Was split Bravos Lanisport. Did Laris have some of that? Maybe? I don't know. I can't remember Banker Bravos. She's got some, haven't they. I think that might be true as well. It's the only one that I'm relatively concrete on. I did laugh. But see here's a laugh. You've got enough to do you about a week? A week? What's what to buy? What? What are they buying in a week? It was that before or after they brought over the money from dragonstonre. So given the full of like paranoia and overwhelm and stress that she seems to be under when she receives that news, there isn't a lot of reaction that you would expect. It was another bit that fell short for me. I just felt like there should have been. A what a week? How are we going to write? We have to get this sorted out, Like this is if someone told me, yeah, get a coat on. Now we're having rice and beans. Man, ricing beans for a fortnite will make us. We'll stretch it Iceland, Buffy for tea kids. Yeah, I've definitely said that the last week of the month, definitely. Who wants took a dippers and dip with some onion rings and some curly fries on the. Let's watch a film guys, it will be so fun. I digress right moving on, then, of course she has the meeting with a high sector. Yes, and the faith are like they want a body, do you know what? I don't feel like he was completely out of order and what he was saying. But again it's the delivery that seemed a bit. If she was male, he wouldn't have delivered it in that way. No, it was incredibly offensive the way he was talking to her. So is it supposed to be? Yeah? Is that why it's bothering us? Because the episode was meant to offend us. Yeah. Because Ryan said something else and the thing that he compared it to the two inspiration from a film or something. I can't remember which film it was. I'd never heard of it, but taken inspiration from it, and the idea is that you're really uncomfortable and you don't know why. So Ryan needs to be very careful with his inSpot because last week his inspow was Queen Elizabeth the First, and Rania is delivering a line almost verbatim from Queen Elizabeth the First. He then has her in the next episode, sorry Claire Kilner and Sarah yes allegedly. Have her, then have her then delivering this shit, this horseshit? What is this? How has she become a character for the West Wing? How is she now like the President of the US. She's gone from Elizabeth the First to the first President? Like, give me a break, guys, you didn't expect me to watch these interviews and behind the scenes and then take this seriously, Like no, because in my tiny brain, because I'm a crazy. Hormonal woman. Last week she's she's Queen Elizabeth. Yes she was. It was probably the strongest female monarch that the Western Wilders ever since it was week one. But yeah, close enough. Yeah, So come on, give me a break. How she went from that to basket case in two episodes? Well, I think they're trying to say she lost a son and that did it, but she'd already lost her son. Yeah, And I find it very difficult to believe that she wouldn't know how to process. Her grief by now she's spent her whole adult life from being a mid teen. Here's another thing that processing very close grief. I think she would have been a much stronger character in terms of processing our grief in the moment. I think she would have been able to put that block up and go, this is what I'm doing, this is what I'm focusing on. I'm pragmatic now because it's the only way I know how to get through my grief. I've just had a thought, Yeah. This has only been mere weeks that passed throughout the course of season two. Yeah, yeah, so what is this her first cycle since her miscarriage. Yeah, again, they missed a beat. If they're going to go there and bring her cycle in it, there was a way they could have given us something else, something else that to remind us of all the things that really is going through right now, And they missed a beat to give us that. So she would have been what six weeks from miscarriage. More or less? Yeah, give her take some episodes, only a day passes between one and the next, and sometimes it's a week. So if you're talking in terms of biologically, how far on she was when she miscarried, So yeah, you are talking about six weeks, so it. Wasn't as much a miscarriage as a stillborn. Yeah. So at this point, I don't think she would have been I just I just don't buy it. She would have been more emotionally numb. Yeah. She was emotionally numb last week in the episode. Yeah, and this week now she's a brain fog like unable to make a decision. I just I'm no buying it. No buying it. The decline was too rapid. I would have bought it if you did it next week, guys. Yeah, I love that. I speak to the writers like they're actually going to listen to. Us, Big, Dream Big, But you probably won'n't want to listen to this episode because we're. We don't have very nice things to say. No, there's constructive criticism, and then there's this. No. I think we're being quite constructive. Actually, I think we're breaking down exactly what was wrong and why it was wrong, and also where it could have been better. So I think I'm not going to lie. I'm being mildly petty. The amount of times I've said it was because I'm a cratzy, harmonal woman. I am full on being petty now. But it doesn't matter. The point is is I watched the episode and I felt flat at the end of it, and I spent the entire day trying to figure out why I watched behind the scenes stuff. I watched an out and out podcast with Sarah hess and Claire Kilner speaking freely. About their decisions and why they made them, and I didn't feel any better afterwards. No, and then I watched it again after all of that, and it got marginally better on the second watch. I felt marginally better when I watched the interview, well, the podcast with the Morning I was like, yeah, okay, the podcast. I see what you what you're saying you. Did there, but it didn't change my opinion. I'm still not buying it. I'm still not buying that for that. But I see what they did there. And then when I rewatched again, I saw what they did there in real time well, watching it and going okay, but I still don't like it. Yeah, okay, like poetic license, but guys, you had a book, you had original canon like that character did not decline that rapidly in that way. No. In fact, it's clearly stated in the book that after the loss of Jusceries Runia was harder, and that was not hard. There was nothing about that was hard, that was barely holding at the gither At times, there's no hardened in this episode. We should have got hardened in this. Episode, and then next episode you could start to show a bit of a paranoid decline after our having such a shit episode this week, but hardened. So next there was the holding court scene. Now it's supposed to be a parallel to Agon's first day holding court, right, Egon was not in his period, No, it was not, although he seemed more like he was in all points of the show. That scene with Agon in Auto was hilarious, It was really freaking funny. This one with Ranera was not. No, So for a parallel it failed. For me. The difference there was that Auto was Eggon's grandfather, so there was a lot more weight to what he was saying to Eggone. And also he'd been hand to the king like what is it three times? Four times by this count? Like cool? Yeah, whereas it's Corless that's given the advice to Ranera, so she's not really taken him as seriously as Eggon was taking his grandfather. Because she's like, I can do this I've got this. Yeah, I'm fine here, and Eggon was about like, oh well, okay, granddad does Yeah, they're perfectly right, you're what you're doing. When she really should have just she should have leaned on Corliss. Yeah that This was the one of the major failings in this episode as well, not leaning on Corliss, but we'll discuss that later. This whole bit with the we wenten saying well, we're weavers and we need the wool, and you know, Nina's like, okay, well we'll just save the sheep first before we give from the dragons. Brilliant, okay, right, okay, And then the next guy is like, oh, yeah, well we need the meat, and well all the hunters are gone because they're they're there way fighting, right, Okay, well maybe you could have the rabbits and stuff. Then from the kingswood like, don't don't hunt any boars or stags or anything. After Corliss is like, no, dude, no a board not the Kings would. Not buying it, not buying it. Ranera would have known the Kings would just off limits to the small folk. There's no way, I. Just I just don't buy It's one of these other. Yeah, I don't buy it. No, it's like she's been portrayed as someone that has no knowledge of the kingdom. Yeah, well she should been plopped in here for dragon stonre. She knows absolutely nothing about how kings landing works. That's bullshit, bullshit, no buying it. So I did clip from this scene. Actually we have a clipped Sylvy. Oh great clip. Yeah, let's have a wee. Listen to Sylvey, who kept the faith. My appeal is not for coin, but for justice for what the common folk have suffered these long months. The blockade is lifted, it will not be long now before trade rout. Is that only the blockade that drove us to want your grace? It was a rich the noble lords. They bought up everything they could for their store houses and left the poor folk with nothing. Is this true? I am now innocent, my Queen, which is the way of the world. But when the high bone take even what little remains them put it aside, well the lowbones starve. Then that is a matter I would put before my Queen. This is one of the plot points of the episode that I think, Yeah, yeah, that's a great plot point. It's great to have Sylvie being there front and center representing the small folk and for this to be highlighted as well. And of course it leads to this small council meeting where they're all debating what to do, and Damon's like, ark, it's not important, like it's just yeah, just ignore it, And of course Massaria is protesting. But then really, what was it? Someone says to her, I think it's Massaria. Actually, what would your father do? You can almost hear Emma's eye roller, Yeah, I have a banquet? Yeah, a banquet, I think. And it was just the most unconvincing thing. If you're having an idea right where you're going to make these fuckers. A malevolent idea? Exact are you. Going to are you going to deliver it in such an airy fairy a banquet? Yeah? Exactly. I wouldn't. You wouldn't be like, we're going to throw a banquet. Yeah, we needed a demon smirk from Ranera. Yes that was her Damon smirk moment, and it should have been she And again it just oh making and decisive Ranera. I think, well, maybe have a banquet. I didn't buy it. And it was a good plot point I liked, but the delivery I did not buy. I don't want to throw shade. To Claire Kilner here as a director, because I've loved many previous episodes that she's done. But I think that maybe where this has fallen short is that they are following a brief they were given. They were told go make a concept episode, and they did the best they can. But maybe that's not her strength. I don't know. Can I say that, I don't know. Maybe our hands were tied. I'm not buying that. Emma Darcy. I thought that that was the correct delivery for that character. I don't think they are a much stronger actor, and they have delivered far stronger lines and face acting. I find it hard to believe it was the acting. Was it the right end? No, the line itself, I don't think is an issue. I think it's the delivery, which comes down in the direction and. Is that Clear's direction or is that from above. I'd like to believe that that's a hands tied direction me too, because the direction has been far greater in lesser scenes. Exactly anyway, So onto the rat itself, of course this was leaked. I felt that it wasn't what I expected from the league I expected the meeting it, even though it's the conversation that Rania had with the nobles when they realized what was going on. I just didn't think it had the right delivery, didn't have I like the idea. I like the idea if you know, this is what the small folk had been eating. So I think this might be possibly the issue with Ryan Condall. God, I don't even want to say it out loud in comparison to Dan and Dave. But Dan and Dave were there for the shock factor. There was the spectacle. Yeah, and this is this is a scene where they could have almost given it a red wedding vibe. They could they could have made this so and it was in a particular literally flat episode to have this really shocking kind of twist and yet not giving it the shock factor that it deserved. Again, they totally missed an opportunity. It could have been so much better. It could have been so much more shocking. The idea of it when we all heard about it weeks ago, the idea of it was like, oh, let's see, let's wait and see. Yeah. I mean, you didn't even have to have the whole table leon. You could have had that one. I'm not sure who she was, the mouthy one, Yeah, but that one. High born lady. Runia could have said take a bite, just one bite, and she could have forced the woman to take a bite. And even that in itself spence would have been more shocking, this woman having to with her knife and. Fork cut a bit of rat off and eat it. And that would have been more memorable than Oh the indignation which the woman delivered well blended she did, she did. I kind of liked her outfit. She looked good, she looked rich. I thought so too. Yeah, and it was kind of a callback to the head gear that Renina was wearing an episode one and those nice poster shots of her being annointed as air that's the one. So yeah, I like the head gear, but I wanted to see her a rat, didn't I I would have would liked to see her a rat or the other guy, the one on the other side that was mouthy and all, either of them. It was been great if we just made something a spectacle of them. Yeah, as an example, but once again Rania has fallen short. She did have a smark. Actually, I'll give her that. There was the moment when the rats came out. She smirked for a half second. There was a half second smirk. I mean it is quite horrific in the book, isn't it like they are meant to eat it? Are they not? No, that doesn't happen in the book. Is no. In the book, auto releases are a hundred cats and they keep to get rid of the rats. So is this purely written by yep? What a shighter? What a shighter? He had an opportunity to run with that and you didn't. He Yeah, it's like how many times have we made the you do you Ryan joke? And then he had an opportunity to really go for it there and they didn't. And do you know what? See if it had, if we'd been left with that wow to the rat face thing, I might not have hated the episode so much. I still would have hated what I hated about it, but I would have walked away where that rat feace thing was working and saying I wasn't he taking on the rest of the episode, but wow, that was something I think they just fail failed to deliver. And that concludes our rip section for this week. Rest in peace all your rats. Oh god, we've got to find some humor where we can guys. I know, and they weren't even scoffed. What a wee shame. Roasted but not eating name of the episode. You should have called it that roasted but not eaten. Oh there's a good argument for that. Rest in peace, rats and peace. Ah right? Okay, well, God, can you do give us no dragons, no deaths? Episode truly sucked. Also yeah, also at the rat faced Nina called herself a conciliator. Did you notice? Oh no, I didn't notice that. I don't bloody think so love. I did love a couple of our passive aggressive digs at the beginning, when she's like, I'm glad you've all you know, sworn your fielty. Eventually, and she did have her re smark. But I think the thing I loved the most about the scene was tor and Manderly. Actually, I like that he admired the play. I thought it was really weird saying Dan Fogler as a as an English guy. Yes, it's that great the little for me too, I thought it was cool. It was kind of weird, but it was cool. It was It's such a new role for him. I know that we both know him from different things. So I know him from Fantastic Fantastic Beast Somewhere to Find Them and he's he's so sweet and he's so cute and he's so saying. Just he's very Samuiz Gamgay. I just I just love him in that, and he's very New York, so it's like. What the fuck? This is cool? Well, I know him from Goldberg's is like the Tall deadbe adhd New Enterprise every week. Uncle love him from that and also Walking Dead, in which he played a music teacher who like rigged up some speakers and drew some zombies away and became useful to the team with his audio experience. I kind of love that. What a guy, well a guy, but yeah, very different roles for than this one. So that was it was cool. Different, but it was cool. I liked it. And he's also an American actor. Yeah, and there's a how much a team of British guys, isn't it? So it was cool to see him doing a really great British accent. Well done doing okay actually yes? And and there was so much personality, Yeah, he was He had the most personality of the episode if Yesterday, he was just like I love these little smirk in his wink and he's like, I see what you did there, and then I love that. She's yeah, they'll be reading your house too, and he's like, yeah, I probably deserve it. Love it, love it. So that was a nice introduction to a new character, one of the one of the high beats of the episode. So yeah, definitely, it was great to see him. I like the line from him, He's like, yeah, that'd be great help the small folk. I'm paraphrasing here, but. They said they may even forget that it was your blockade that made bread scarce in the first place. I love that thing. Oh and I shouldn't. I shouldn't love that dig because I've always been team Raniera, I know. But it was very humorous and well delivered, and Emma Darcy's face was an absolute picture in that moment. Rana's face was like, WHOA did. You just say that? And I know you're right, So I don't know what I would respond. Two things positive and negative, the negative being again, if she was a man, he wouldn't have said that. No, No, he wouldn't have. He wouldn't have. However, I've forgotten what the positive is. Damn it, damn What was the positive? I'll give you a minute. No, it is properly gone. I think it must have been a weak positive. The positive is that it was a funny scene. It was a positive about Raniera and Raniera's what the fuck was it? Oh, you need to find that. What was the positive? No shade on Emma. No, Emma delivered what was given and I just didn't like what they were given. No, it's gone, it's gone. The next best bit was probably the. Father Ted comparison. What was that? Why did I miss that? It's my little joke about Corlisses. They're all bastards. Do you remember the Father Ted episode where there's I can't remember his father something and he's like a TV guy and he's very charismatic. And all the rest of it. But the man's an alcoholic, right yeah, and he has one drink and then they're all hiding behind the upturned sofa and he's like, you're all bastards. Right now? I remember, Yes, I do remember that. Yes, the scene is perfect. It's so good. Anyway, moving on to Corless. So, first of all, that was a awkward dinner. Certainly was. Do you eat? He did kind of ambush. First of all, it was a bit surprised that Runira was so surprised. Had a lot going on though, yes, easy for her to not notice. But I think this is the first time in this episode I've said this. But in the book, I'm going. To take a drink now. Is that a personal record for me going that long without saying it. Yeah, But in the book it's sort of implied at first that they're Laaner's sons, and then Corliss kind of claims them later. Yeah, so they skipped over. That part of the story, which I supposed is a pointless beat. Well, I think actually it was. It was fairly accurate in the show that he It's not that he accepted the they were Lennor's sons, He just didn't really acknowledge it that they weren't. It was Renice that said, well, we know what the relationship is there. We know that they're not our grandchildren, so give it to the girls. Yeah, and that's the point in the show that it's like, okay, right now they know and then anyway Corlis is like, well it's going to. The boys anyway. Yeah, So we do see that he makes an active choice to accept Ranida's illegitimate sons. He did, and I think that's kind of the point of why he's so pissed here. Yeah. Also, he did all of this for Renie, all of it. His whole life has been about Renie, and he felt that she should have been queen, what she should have Her personal experience of not being queen was something that really made her get behind Ranier, made him accept that I'm going to get behind this too. I'm going to do what you're asking me to do. Here, he changed the name of his shit. He's lost his home that he built from nothing, plot hole. He believes that he's. Lost both of his kids at this point. So as far as the show has gone, Lenar's not dead. Well, I don't know. I think a lot of people are accepting the fact at this stage that Lenor must be dead for Sea Smoke to have bonded with Adam. Still though, but at no point if we had confirmation and no confirmation, and Rania has had no confirmation none, and hasn't said at any point, well, actually he. Might not be dead. You might want to go and check that out. Or even just the fact that like just having a wee private conversation with Damon, her co conspirator and the Lanar thing. The only other person to just say Sea Smoke's bonded with this guy, Leanor must be dead. If anybody she could have confided in Jess, why did she not say to. Jess, look, Leaner's not dead. You know you're a strong boy. They mean that way. I didn't. I didn't. You know, you're not his son. He's not dead. And this is really bizarre, that sees because Jess is also a dragon rider. Why why at no point did she ever be like, Okay, this is weird. When Jess was like really freaking. Out about the fact that these are illegitimate people that have claimed these dragons, I just don't see why the conversation never came up. It's really weird. But anyway, here we are with a massive plot hole. Okay, I'm going to take it right. See, when Ranina went to Harron Hall with Adam, the two of them flew off to harn Hall and the last season and she had the conversation with them. Man, I'm going to choose to believe that they had this conversation off camera, right, Okay, Right, So after the whole scene in the Hall, they've wandered off. She's like, this guy's just showed up on sea smoke. Leannar must be dead. Yeah, that that happened. That's the only way I can make sense of it. It hamm't off camera. It's either that or I believe that Runia flew into Haronhall for a thirty second conversation with Damon and then flew home again. Who knows, We'll never know. We'll never know anyway, So Corless, this is why he's pissed. This is what's fucked him off, is the fact that he's he accepted those boys, all three of them, as his grandchildren. Jase was less of an issue because he was the heir, so he was never going to inherit anything Valari and he was going to edit the Iron Throwne. He was going to be a Targetarian as soon as he ascended. But Luke and Geoffrey he did mostly Luke. He's made Cleary's feelings on Jeffrey, which is a shame per kid. He's so tiny in a Curse of Jeoffrey. Oh, I know, so here we are, poor bloody Corless, absolutely shit. All He's just watched his everything he's ever built go up and smoke. He's got these two boys that he's actually really. Gone back on his own. He swallowed yes, yeah, yeah, so he swallowed his pride. He apologized, and then he said, look, I'm going to make you legitimate. Probably in his mind he's like, look, nia was going to understand more than anybody else in. The whole world. He was so confident that yeah, and then he's like, what we're going to do this A proud dad gone, these are my boys. Yeah, they're awesome. My name will live on in you, and I've got fuck all to give you. But I'm going to give you my name and you're going to be just like me because I can see I can see me and you. That's why he said to Rainy's in season one, he says history doesn't remember blood, it remembers names. But there he's got. Blood and names. The name thing matters to him. He's got his blood right in front of you. I'm kind of please give them a name too, That's all he wants. Yeah, and she could have delivered it better, but we're going to. I mean, I totally understand why she's saying no, at least wait until she's been crowned herself. It looks it looks bad. She's thinking about legit, but she's being paranoid as well. I think, yeah, I mean, our delivery could be better. But at the same time I was a bit like, I don't see the problem here. I do not see the problem here. Just wait. All she had to do was say I'm going to diet it. But no, right now, wait till I'm crowned. Were you going to say something different? I two three and bad Suly got three sons left, so you know. It's a story. It's not real. It's not it's not And if we're going to like medieval times and self preservation and all that shit, she. Could have spirited him away somewhere. He's already not there, Like she has loads of massive dry the way man has a dragon of his own, go and put them somewhere safe. And just just he's your Corliss, is the only bloody thing you've got between you and the fight other than the dragons. Exactly what you do. Fleet is depleted, but it's still a fleet. And he's still got the name Corliss Valaria and the sea snake. Like he's the hand of the fucking queen. And you know what, let's look at this realistically, right, you legitimize them. The people are going to say, this guy, who's what first mate? Right? He is an accomplished sailor and the son of Corlis Valarion. Who better to inherit the Lord of the Tides title. The guy's a fucking hero at this point. Exactly, No, No, what's going to question him getting succession over Geoffrey. Geoffrey is not a sailor, he's a little boy. This is his oldest living son, who is an accomplished sailor and absolutely on his other son is the dragon Rider of Sea Smoke. Exactly Sorry, what did you say? Did you call me a bastard? Roasted? Did? Exactly? Way? Geoffrey, what's he going today? Oh? Yahwee bastard? Oh well, I might get my dragon eat your chicken like dragon. Hi, I'll just hate your kfs up there. At the end of the day, these guys are like, no one's going to question it. She's overthinking it, she's. Completely over I hate it because it's so hasty. It's such a hasty oversight on her part, and I'm not buying that this character would have had such a hasty oversight in that moment, I think that her paranoia would have been more interwoven into other things that would have made or less doubt her. And then turn. His back on our or the dragon riders or the small folk, or even bring our counsel and make our counsel. And there's so many other ways you could have done this. Then oh, suddenly I don't know anything. I'm just offending everyone, and I don't have anyone's back because I'm hormonal. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous and shite, and I'm not I'm not there for it. I kind of be arsked with it as nippy. Yeah, it was, it was really nippy. Fuck what we got next? We've got a clip of Rania being the weakest and most honor I take my ugly bonnooks and he listen to that. Ramming blast. Yes, so let's have a clip of that scene Corlis losing his ship. I have given him, oh my everything in service to you. My castle lies in ashes, and I have asked no favor in return. But this you know very well. The rumors that have knocked my sons from the first my reign has just begun. I cannot in this moment be seen to raise up those born outside of noble troth. I saw a swear words, and so you will insult my house. So that you may be seen to be something you are not. I have, Geoffrey to think of. I was staunching my defense when your own troth was doubted. Yes, and I thank you for this, among many other things. But all eyes look to me now. Perhaps one day. When there is not. So much scrutiny, you are ashamed. It is a matter of legitimacy. Your son, Geoffrey, he's a bustard. O your son lu Serius, whom I accepted as my. Was a bustard, low caller, sers to a bastard. Too far, say aloud to me the reason your children deserve what mine are denied? Again, Pish writing to be honest with you there, it was push writing. I don't he buy Corliss's reaction there either. I Alwa's lost everything right, But I don't fucking buy that Corlis is going to scream that said Ares who's just died two days before, fighting at the gullet with him. He's going to fucking scream that. I absolutely do not buy that. I just think that's and gets lazy, right, and to be honest with you, yeah, or sensationalism on like, yeah, it's lazy, right, And I just think you're you're just pushing it along faster than you needed to be. I don't buy it. Ugly buns back out by the way with side bits. I don't know what's going on here, but thank god, would going to do a live stream as all I can say. I love that I puffed up like Ventura for some reason. I don't know what I'm doing. I messed with the dow that you need to sit opposite me and be serious. I leave this in just so there's some laughs in the episodes that would laughs a lot, But no, I'm not buying that. I don't think that Corlis would have screamed that at her. I totally get the getting annoyed and maybe whispering it in a quiet be is the corner are going fucking I've done this for you. Yeah, But in private quarters, maybe in the small council room, in our chambers, anything like that, I could have bought that conversation. But in public, he's. A calculated tactician who has won countless battles. He's gone off away from his family when the most grievous griefs have happened because he's not an emotive man. No, right, so then the writers expect me to believe that that's how Corliss is going to play this situation is offspring chicken. He's been around the block a few times, he's like in his seventies. Yeah, I'm not buying that. No, I don't he buy it either. I don't. Again, I think it's there for shock factor. And we're sitting there going, yeah, it's one of the better scenes in the episode, but still still by it. All of this, well, that's all I can say about that. That's all folks language. That was Nikon acting really very Brittie and like she doesn't know what she's doing. What a load of ship? Like, no way, it's hard to watch, it's hard to listen to. It's nonsense as far as these characters go. Yeah, at this stage of the game, she's just taken over kings Landing, she's just lost her air in the throne. There's no way. She's all Britie. And it doesn't know how to talk to Cordless anymore. What a load of ship? I'm not buying that, And I'm not buying that Corliss would lose his temper. In that way. A man that has fought on battleships his whole life, he knows how to hold his emotions at this stage of the g Yes, he's lost everything. No, I was going to say, look at the patients he showed going through that canyon with that ship. Yep, yep, yep. Just I mean it might be unrelated, but it's just it showed the concept falls flat. The concept falls flat. The whole fucking episode was flat. It was a. It was fucking awful, and we've tried so hard to just try and build the best it. But the people that have stuck around for an hour and a half listening to this rant, you're right there whereas so what a lot of shitey? I I'm sorry, But if we can even have more than a meager dragon section and a pidolly brip, then that's that's wind and pish, Really, isn't it? It's hot air? Can we say anything positive about where it's going? Got any fun fact? Oh, let's have a look when I can find something about it. Nah, No, I watched all the behind the scenes. There was to say and Oi it was just a holiday shite of them trying to justify this fucking bullshit episode. Yeah, so, any other time I've watched the interviews and stuff, there's always been a wee something and they've been quite jovial and all this happened or no, no, no. There was none of that for this. You're right. It was all justification for a really shy episode. It was, and they're also polite. I never realized that until this moment. It was like, as the words were coming out of my mouth, my brain's going ding, this is that? That is exactly what the behind the scenes was. It was just a big like justification. That's why they had Sarah and Claire on the podcast. That's why they were prominent and everybody. There was about four different behind the scenes thing and they weren't owe them trying to justify this. Yeah you saw what Sorry, what were you going to say? That's two weeks in a row. They were on the same podcast, HBO podcast. Were they on it last week? It last week as well? Because I thought, oh, really, you know, Mighty have like different people every week. But yeah, it would make sense that they have them want to justify this absolute farce of an episode. Clear directs the next one too well. I expect better things from Claire because she's better than this. She is better than this, and I don't I don't know who's right in the next episode or who's written the next episode, but I know that Claire directed it because I noticed in the thing it was directed episodes two, three, and four. Right, Okay, so let's see what she's got to bring for the next episode. She's not constrained by this concept. Then I'll be as excited as I usually am for a clear episode. I'm very excited to see eggone and Laris. I want to see more of them. That's another thing I was missing this week. If I could have just had one scene Eggon and Laris, that would have been better. Let's call them. It's better than airis leg On. I'm so here for Legon. But if we could have just had one scene of that, like I said, it would have been better. But still shpe. Yeah, where are leg On? What's what's going on? At this point? I think they're moving their way to. Love to have seen a wee scene of them, like I don't know, didd ring along with one donkey that Egg On's humped over and Larice's club foot and alongside and just bitching at each other. That would that would have been relatively low budget to do. Just give us some of that if you're going to sticks. I mean, they're like multimillion dollars an episode, and some of these episodes look pretty cheap considered when you think about they've got a purpose built set, right, They've got the full red keep and everything. They did say that in one of the either buying the seats, like we all we've used this room so many times. It's been there for all these. Years exactly, so they didn't have to put anything at the set for this episode or anything like that. It's not about budget unless it's about cutting the budget here so they can use it elsewhere. But would it, of course that much to just did along beside a wee donkey, No, would not. But that's what I'm saying. I don't think it's about costs that think it was about this, do you know what? Sitting in the woods we can't fire, bitching at each other would have done. So you can't say that it was like we wanted the whole of this episode to be renier a pov because the cold open wasn't. So the cold open wasn't a renier A POV, so the whole episode wasn't, So maybe we could have had some other scenes of other things. Oh, another thing we haven't discussed as Rania and Demon's chat that they had. Yeah, that's definitely on my list. Demon wants to rule the world, so first of all going to the Veil, which is cool because that plays into this whole rain of thing. Yeah, and I'm still on board with this idea. I've thought about it more since last week, and yeah, I like the the idea of them putting Nettles and Raina together and so Nettles maybe being Raina's identity while she's in hide In and Damon going to the veil looking for sheep stealer while he's there. I love the line from Damon. It's like, so Runina says, Lady Jane never sent the sword she promised she may pay her debt in coin, and then Damon smirks and he's like, this is an errand I will relish. Kind of just thought, well, Demon's like like Damon's had to hang about in the Veil for a few years. He's probably like got a few people over there that he just wants to rub up the wrong way, not. Where he killed his wife, it is she's a. Roice, but a very prominent family in the veil. So here's a here's a trajectory that we could have gone on, a downward one that, rather than this whole episode be filled with Ranida's indecision and overwhelm and well not in decision but shit decision shall we call it, she could have been very forcefall and. Powerful and I'm here and I'm going to make my mark and I'm going to do this and I'm going to. Make all the wrong decisions in. A powerful way rather than a scatterbrained kind. Of know what I'm doing way. Yeah, and then we could have had the okay, so she sends themon off, and then the decline comes because she's like, who is Sheepsteelers rider? Why are you sticking up for them? Why are you not telling me who this is? What the fuck is going on exactly? That could have been the decline. That's where the decline and I. Would have been here for oh god, a mommappy if she'd been I am blocking out all my pain and I'm first I mean, maybe I missed something in the book, but I feel like her decline started when the dragon seeds turned on her. Randa was comfort eating at this point as well, Like, yeah, she just wasn't a basket case. She was a forceful woman exactly. Like finding ways to outsource her grief. That weren't this overwhelmed. Very breathy sort of. Well, I will legitimize them and in time, you know, it's just that, well things are going on. So I'm not quite sure. I fucking hate that. I hate it. I hate it awful. It is a bit rubbish. So where were we the so demon wants to conquer the world speech? I clipped that. Good, let's hear that. Lady Jen never sent the sword she promised she may pay her a coin. This is an errand I will relish the great houses our summon here in the meantime, return with gold or pledges of gold. Else we are hobbled before we begin. You have come so far, and yet you still don't know who you are. If I fail to administer my city, how will I be trusted to govern. A Realmagne The conqueror had three dragons, you now have six. It is a power beyond imagining why scrabble here for gold when the world lies before as dawn could be ours and then Essos and the free cities, YETI and its riches. They say, there is a city at the edge of the world where men have wings. I remember wishing to go there to see them for myself. And those men will serve us. They will serve you. You have an empire unassailable, and our children will rule it forever. And a day you start as common days and the road. It is like the pirates the plague us. I start as God's. Nia's not there man, No. And then he goes off in a speech in hih Valeria in which I meant to transcribe and forgot. It's hard to remember these things where you just don't care about the episode. But then he goes off and they're basically talking about no or not anyway. So they're talking about the Valleria and was this not the dream of Valeria to have an empire rule the world? And she's like, no, the dragons are My father warned me not to. You know, the dragons are a power we shouldn't mess with. He always counseled restraint. He's like your father was well, it's not what he said, but basically he was saying, your father was a bit timid. He renounced his dragon, I think was the word he said, and he kind of did. He rode blarry on the once and then never again. Then Valerian died. I'm not quite sure how close together those events were, but anyway, so, yeah, it's this debate about the power of old Valeria. Demien's demon wants to go wild, be a conqueror to take on the world, which is all all but removed from the demon last week that was going on about the prince that was promised and the threat in the north and. Yeah, yeah, it's strange that you would change almost continent when he knows. I actually put this. Down as one of the scenes that I really liked until I started saying that, and then I realized, wait a minute, this is a contrast from last week's demon. Yeah, I suppose, I don't know. It's kind of classic demon. Oh let's do the most massive thing, like, let's do the most impossible thing that we can. But you're right, it's too far removed from last week's Demon, which would only be two. Days two days ago. Yeah, two days was saying I saw it, had it hall, I saw the threat for the north. I saw girl with silver here with dragging her breast, and and this is meant to be Runira, this is you, you on the throne, this but preparing for the coming darkness. I mean, I'm not quoting for me, I'm here, I'm just paraphrasing. But that that was the tone. Yeah, it was we need to be here, not gallivant. And the essays how are you going to how are you going to help when the long night comes? When you're in essos? So yeah, that doesn't make sense to me. One damon point that I actually really liked this episode was his moment of reflection when he heard about the death Simon Strong. Yeah, oh blessed, I mean, wee face. He looked sad, he did, and then he was worried for Alice. He obviously cares for her to So yeah, that was a nice day. Was there a there? A woman? Mystery? Was like what women? Mester? Absolutely, if I could not I've heard of would again dismiss spy because she's a woman. Yeah, a women, mister of thoughts. You called her a midwife last week and she was fizzing. You know, I've just found another bottle where it's another I think you're right. With the assumption that there's been such a long gap between the writing. Yeah. Yeah, I think they forgot who they were right in. Yeah, it's like that when we get to the beginning of any season and I go, I'm going to go back and listen to our last podcast and remember everything that I said before we go into the next one. I don't, no, no, And this is why when I binge watch several seasons or something that's already out. When I finish a season, I leave it a day until I start the next season, because if I go straight into it, I'm like, oh not, the writing's too off for me. Can't I can't do it. I've never thought about that before. Maybe that's a that's a good idea. So I do it sometimes, but I've never really really made it, like made it a rule. I do because I feel that I don't enjoy the first episode as much. Yeah, I do try sometimes I do, just like a good binge binge, but I have to agree with you that on the times where I do go right, that's the end of the season. We're going to take a break for a day. Or two, maybe before we start the next one. I have appreciated Door have your dinner and then watch it sometimes, Yeah, a break could be that long. Supernatural is definitely one that got me. Yeah. There's a lot of seasons, man for sure, and sometimes with Supernatural I had to take a break. Sometimes I had to take a like six month break. The last time I binged it, I got through to about season eight, and then I had to take a break for a few months, and then then I did the rest. Weirdly a season eleven for me, I'm not quite. Sure why I got stuck at season eleven twice. And actually the season eleven break was about two years long before I could go back. I'm glad it's not just me it season eleven. So then we've got the feeding the small folk scene. I really liked this scene. Rnier was smiling, which is something that didn't happen throughout the episode anywhere else. I liked that her and Massaria were on that cart themselves distributing the food. Yeah, it was total food bank scenario. It was it was it was very bright, she was smiling, it was a very positive scene. It was a very different tone from the rest of the episode, and I really liked it. She's on day three of her rain right now, and yeah, it's great that she's got out there. She feels like she's done something good with her whole Robin Hood's thing, Rob for the rich, give to the But I liked that the contrast from this scene to the rest of it. She's very boxed in and it's very dark all those in the Keep scenes, but out in the sun, I think it was like they said, it was like one hundred and twenty degrees when they were film on that day, so that must have been fun. So yeah, that's all I got to say on that. Really, it was a nice scene. I liked it. We did the fake there on things, so that just leaves Tumbleton really And this scene confused me too. Yep. Why was it a dragon keeper? I have no idea. I had no idea, not a clue. I don't know. The maybies of it are Okay, well are these dragon keepers that are for Tassarian? So why is this guy come back to Rania? Yeah? And the way he told it was like the dragons were going in and he got out. Yeah, it was. Like, why were there in the first place? Mate? There's no dragons there. Yeah, it's not like it's dragon keepers coming from dragon Stone because it's the opposite direction out in the water, whereas this is inland. So it's not that I would say closest dragon well you know rubbish I am and the geography of this, but my guess is the closest dragon that's going to be anywhere in that vicinity would be. Quotation marks dead sunfire. Nope, some fires in the opposite direction there south. Who's the closest one then none, Nana Vegar, No, Nana's north as well, where's sheepstealer north in the velle? So who's the closest one then out. Of Kingsland and and cesareon those are the closest dragons. What is that? Why he's going to Kingsland and then because it's the closest place does that answer? No? That that explains why he can to kings landing to give the information, But it doesn't explain why he was in Tumbleton in the first place. Why was there a dragon keeper in Tumbleton? And if he's on the other side, then why is he running to Ranina with the information? Okay, So after a brief map consultation. I am now on board. Way, there's no way, there's no possible, there's no yeah, nope, nope, nope, nope. So don't get somebody HBO please explain this to me because I just don't get. But this overall set up as well, this is I think this is different from the book. I think that in the book, the Blacks were there at Tumbleton and the Greens were attacking from outside, then stuff happens. But in the in the show, they seem. To be doing it the other way around. So the Greens are now taking Tumbleton and it looks like the Blacks are probably going to attack, So that's different. I'm not sure the purpose of this, but maybe it's just to keep us all guessing. You do you, Ryan, Yeah, I've been guessing the whole episode. So here we are. So, if you've stuck around for this long, thank you for listening to hers Rand. You must feel the same. I don't have anything else to say to you. I have nothing positive to say, nothing positive. Thank you so much for sticking around. Guys, If you have any moans that you would like to add onto the Facebook page or anywhere else, or. If you have any contradiction, contradicting opinions. We'd like to hear them. I'd like to be turned around. I don't like. It doesn't sit well with me that there's an episode of this that I just hate. I'm a crazy, hormonal woman. There's no way anyone can contradict right now, I'm joking. I'm joking. Oh but yeah, this episode rub me up the wrong way in so many different ways. Is I'm just looking forward to next week. I've just will say more of the format that we love. This concept fell in its face. To end on a week positive note. Oh have you got one? I do have one? Excellent. We did have a lovely message from one of our listeners who was asking about are we going to do any more Book to Show comparisons? And we did answer, and yes we are. We're going to be very busy. At the time, answer was brief. I do apologize, I give, but yes, we absolutely will be covering more Book to Show Comparisons. We're going to finish House of the Dragon, and then as you know, we're going to be covering The Mad King. That will be August, so we're looking end of September that. We'll do another show refresh the book. What's the show we're going to. Do clash, Yeah, and compare that with season two. And then we're going to be moving into Christmas time where we deserve our break, guys. So then then we've got. Duncan Egg coming up, and we will probably then start to cover more book to show comparison into next. Year, yeah, because we do have that break. And then obviously the book to show comparison does start to become a little disjointed, so that's what it might get to be quite fun. Yeah, it will be interesting. We get to that stage. I think we're safe to the end of Storm and then it starts to dive. Yeah, if we could cover because I don't like Storm. It's kind of a two book situation, isn't it not audible? It's one big book, So but I think we might do that in two parts because it's it's so huge. Yeah, so we'd be able. Towards and it does cover two seasons, so it's like Storm one is season three season. Four, So you guys are going to have us doing a lot of book to show comparison next year, and I'm glad. Dragon next year at all. Yeah. Also, while we're doing clash. We've got a. Series of videos, some groundbreaking lower series and. A brilliant question of legitimacy video. Yeah, that's coming up very soon. But to go along with that clash, there will be a series of deep lore theories coming at you. I'm telling you we're going to break the fandom with this. I look forward to it. So we've got a. Lot of stuff to look forward to, and I'm looking forward to the rest of the season House of the Dragon as well. So on that note, let's call this episode it didn'ty work for us, and that's okay. We're still here for it next week. 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